I own the 18g & 20g Phil Taylor Gen 3's and last year's Gen 4's. The grips on the Gen 5's are exactly what I've been waiting for. The grips on the Gen 5's will probably suit more playing styles than the previous Target Phil Taylor Gen offerings. They feel great, excellent balance, and fly very well. The included flights are WAY too small and useless for my tastes...exactly like the previous models. I always replace my shafts, flights, and tips w/ L-Style products anyways. Very happy tp make these my playing darts