Hi Kargel! Please tell me if you think different. I believe the gonio data is great for these with this lens. I am wondering... since these are LVLE and the lamp can be used without any lens is it possible to do a gonio on one or more of them to see what the maximum lumens could be. I do not think we need to test with any other kind of lens. I hope I am understanding you correctly! ????I want you to know that we are looking at the wallpack data that you sent. Toby is not available for this week so Luke and l are looking at the riser angle Like you suggest and we see in the data what you are suggesting ... AND ... we are exploring the possibility of a reflective aluminum plate behind the PCB that forces the light through the lens. We also have some thinner Acrylic lens that we will try to see if we can get more light through without making a new board design (which Toby would have to do). The chips are 1W 140-150 lumen chips. I am hopeful we can get better light output with a reflector. We are attempting this tomorrow (we are such rookies ... please don’t laugh too hard). ????????Thanks for all your wisdom... Luke and I are learning so much.